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Thursday, April 3, 2008

The Saved Sect - Direct Ticket to Jannah !

The Messenger (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) said, "There will not cease to be a group from my Ummah manifest and upon the truth not being harmed by those who forsake them neither by those who oppose them" and he (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) also said, "And this Ummah will split into seventy-three sects, all of them in the Hellfire but one". They said, which one is this O Messenger of Allaah? He replied, "They are those who are upon what I and my companions are upon today".

Of the infinite issues we are facing today, one of the major and vital ones is 'sectarianism' in Islam. Although, a blog is not a place to write in detail about sects and how they are formed and what purposes they serve (even if negative). Today, I would only like to 'refute' the claims of a sect which is busy 'refuting' the whole ummah who do not accept their conditions. They are busy calling others a 'khwariji' which is a softer way of saying 'kafir'. Point to be noted is, I do not adhere to any sect, so my words do not represent any sect or this is not a sectarian dialogue, rather a monologue aimed to analyze the claims of those who believe in sectarianism and divisions.
Today we have dozens of 'sects' in Islam, each claiming to be the saved sect. And one more I came across quite often is the 'sect' which calls itself 'xyzfi and boasts openly to be the 'saved sect'. (You can refer their websites and books to know more). The basis of their claim is that, according to the hadith quoted above, they follow the path of the Prophet (saws) and his companions (ra).

First things first, does the Quran say anything on this topic? Yes it does !
The Glorious Qur’an says: "And hold fast, All together, by the rope Which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves;" [Al-Qur’an 3:103]. Further the Quran says, "As for those who divide Their religion and break up Into sects, thou hast No part in them in the least:Their affair is with Allah:
He will in the end Tell them the truth Of all that they did." [Al-Qur’an 6:159] and "Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger"[Al-Qur’an 4:59]
... Surah Al-Mu'minun (23:52-53):"And verily this Ummah of yours is a single Ummah and I am your Lord, so keep your duty unto Me. But they have broken their religion among them into sects, each sect rejoicing in its tenets."

Did the prophet (saws) say anything about sects ? Sure he did...
According to Tirmidhi Hadith No. 171, the prophet (pbuh) is reported to have said, "My Ummah will be fragmented into seventy-three sects, and all of them will be in Hell fire except one sect." The companions asked Allah’s messenger which group that would be. Where upon he replied, "It is the one to which I and my companions belong."

"Awf ibn Malik reported that the Prophet (Peace be upon him) said, 'The Jews split into 71 sects: one will enter Paradise and 70 will enter Hell. The Christians split into 72 sects: 71 will enter Hell and one will enter Paradise. By Him in Whose hand is my soul, my Ummah will split into 73 sects: one will enter Paradise and 72 will enter Hell.' Someone asked, 'O Messenger ofAllah (Peace be upon him), who will they be?' He replied, 'The main body of the Muslims (al-Jama'ah).' And in another version of this Hadith the Prophet (Peace be upon him) goes onto say that the saved sect, "...Are those who follow my and my Sahaba's path" (Tirmidhi, vol. 2, pg. 89)

It is amusing, that the sectarians use this very hadith to prove that their sect is the saved sect. How? They claim that we will be divided, and only our sect is on the true path whereas all others will go to hell, for e.g. the 'xyzfis' are very open in calling everyone else as 'khwariji' and 'deviant' unless they accept the label as 'xyzfi'.

Analysis:

The Quran is crystal clear, it prohibits all divisions in clear words as you can read in your Quran using the references given above.

The hadith said By Him in Whose hand is my soul, my Ummah will split into 73 sects: one will enter Paradise and 72 will enter Hell. The Prophet (saws) said, WILL be split, he did not say 'should be split'. If something is going to happen, does not mean that we start making it happen or help it by dividing our deen, because in the verse quoted from Quran, Allah asked us to do the opposite. So, just because it 'will' split, does not justify our people's efforts to split it actively and distribute labels.

Now, the analysis about the second part of the hadith; the Prophet (Peace be upon him) goes onto say that the saved sect, "...Are those who follow my and my Sahaba's path" Please make a note, the Prophet (saws) DID NOT give a name of this sect, he gave a quality of the people of this sect. It might as well be an unofficial 'sect\group', how ? Do you remember, the 10 people who were given the glad tidings of paradise in this world itself ? we have a name for their group, we call them as 'Ashra Mubashra'. But, it was an imaginary group, they did not have a label or did not have special characteristics, it was a group based on their 'quality' not joining or affiliations. Similarly, among the 72 sects, can't there be a 'sect' of people who follow the prophet (saws) and his sahaba (ra) and still may not be a real 'sect'. It might as well be people from various sects, but the condition will be they have right aqeedah, right character and follow the ways of the Prophet and Sahaba (saws , ra). Now, as far as the claim 'join us we are saved sect', by saying so, that sect is claiming that anyone outside their sect is going to go to hell and is misguided! While, they find members of their own sect, some of them drink alcohol, gamble, earn haram incomes, involve in lots of haram, some are fasiqs, and they say they are saved, which implies that they mean to say that they "are those who follow the Prophet (saws) and his sahaba (ra) : astaghfiruallah, can they be really those who follow ? Just because they name a name for their sect and it claims to be saved ? Irrespective of their actions ? Its something for you to think.

Now, how necessary is it to call ourselves as 'xyzfi , abcdfi etc' ?
The 'xyzfi' are the most staunch, when it comes to sticking self-printed labels on self. They encourage the idea, that one should make sure to say one is 'xyzfi Muslim' and not just a Muslim. Okay point taken...

Argument: But, Allah called us Muslim in the Quran, how can we change the label or add to the label ? "Who is better in speech Than one who calls (men)To Allah, works righteousness, And says, ‘I am of those Who bow in Islam (Muslim)?’ "[Al-Qur’an 41:33] It is mentioned in chapter 3 verse 52 of Al-Qur’an that Jesus (pbuh) was a Muslim.Further, in chapter 3 verse 67, Al-Qur’an says that Ibrahim (pbuh) was not a Jew or a Christian but was a Muslim. Say ye: "Bear witness That we (at least) Are Muslims (bowing To Allah’s Will)." [Al-Qur’an 3:64] ??? Isn't it wrong to add-on to a label given by Allah ?

Sectarian \ xyzfi's explanation (I personally got): During the time of the sahaba there were no sects, so it was not needed for them to call themselves by any label. But, today we have everyone calling themselves Muslims, while they have beliefs far from Islamic Aqeedah. So, to make the other person know that you are on right track, you should use a label ' xyzfi Muslim', its a madhab of xyzfiyyah. Just calling ourselves 'Muslims' is not enough anymore.

My analysis: Firstly, during the time of the sahaba itself, there arose many difference of opinions among the sahaba themselves, they even had fights but did not have any label other than 'Muslim'. There were also 'sects' which started spreading misinformation about Islam, some did open kufr, some mixed Islam with kufr, so what did the sahaba and the salaf do? Instead of making a label for themselves, the sahaba and salaf, called those misguided people as 'khwariji' and they themselves retained the title of 'Muslim'. And thats the reason, there were no 'sects' during their time. Its like saying, "they did not shave because they had long beards", while the truth is, they had long beards because they did not shave, not vice versa. They did not have 'sects' because they did not 'invent' them, although they had difference of opinions, they retained their label as 'Muslim' or calling the misguided people as 'Khwariji' they did not add-on words to their titles as ABC Muslim or XYZ Muslim, to distinguish from those misguided people.

Do these people know more than Allah, about what those who call people towards truth should call themselves ? If they have a Quran, please read what Allah wanted such people to call themselves.
“Who is better in speech than one who calls (men) to Allah, works
righteousness, and says, ‘I am a Muslim" Quran 41:33
Did Allah have no knowledge that later the Muslims will divide in groups? Did Allah not know they will be among the Muslims, who will not be really Muslims, like some of our honorable salafi fasiq kings directly responsible for millions of death, tortures and rapes of my sisters in Afghanistan ,......, ......... and Iraq.

Muslim was the label for people who call others towards Allah's path. Irrespective of some people using it wrongly or justly. A man cannot come along and start changing what Allah put in.

Just for arguement sake, lets agree the xyzfi is right, although its illogical and baseless reasoning.
So, suppose today there are 100,000 people calling themselves 'xyzfi Muslim', years pass and then we have difference of opinions among the xyzfi sect itself (because when humans use minds, difference of opinions occurs in their thinking and reasoning). Like today we have, Madkhalis xyzfis, Sahwi xyzfis and xyzfifi Jihadis. Now, what does a xyzfi say when you argue, which of them is on 'true' path of 'sect' 'xyzfi' ? He will quickly say, those are imposters and misguided, they are not xyzfi etc etc. Hey hey, why double standards? When it came to true path of Islam, you wanted an add-on label to the label given by Allah as Muslim. And, now when it comes to true 'xyzfi' instead of further classifying your sect into 'abc xyzfi' and 'xyz xyzfi', you are removing others from your sect ? Like you made Muslim as xyzfi Muslim, why dont you make xyzfi as Abc xyzfi and Xyz xyzfi to show that your on truth of madhab of xyzfiyyah? (In reality, we already have them.) Some xyzfis may even agree to do so, because of a brainwashed mentality to divide and further divide with labels which serve no purpose, because labels are rendered meaningless in time, only label we accept is 'Muslim', because that was the label given by Allah. So, by now we have 'Abc xyzfi Muslim' and Xyz xyzfi Muslim'.... we go further 25 years and each sect has new scholars and new difference of opinions, so will they further divide each sub-division to show what they 'truly' believe ? .. If they did, we'll have something like "123 Abc xyzfi Muslim' and "789 Xyz xyzfi Muslim" . . . imagine what will happen after 25 more years and new scholars and a little more difference of opinions ?

One more characteristic of most xyzfis I met is, they swear blind allegiance to the kings of Saudi. And they quote a reason for their belief... they say " Ash-Shahrastaanee defines a Khariji as: Anyone who walks out against (seeking to overthrow) the true appointed Imam (leader) upon whose leadership the Jamaa'ah is in agreement is called a Khariji." And hence, we should support the Saudi Kings as they are our Imams.
My point is, who appointed the Kings of Saudi ? Do they claim to be a khalifah? Did they ever take 'bayah' from the public? Is a 'truly appointed Imam' just because he is born to another king, become 'truly appointed' ? Does, Islam appoint leaders based on birth only? Those kings, invest billions of dollars in Riba based (Interest based) companies in USA (like Citigroup), UK and Europe (This fact is open for you to investigate). Some rulings about Riba,

Al-Baqarah 275. Those who eat Ribâ (usury) will not stand (on the Day of Resurrection) except like the standing of a person beaten by Shaitân (Satan) leading him to insanity. That is because they say: "Trading is only like Ribâ (usury)," whereas Allâh has permitted trading and forbidden Ribâ (usury). So whosoever receives an admonition from his Lord and stops eating Ribâ (usury) shall not be punished for the past; his case is for Allâh (to judge); but whoever returns [to Ribâ (usury)], such are the dwellers of the Fire - they will abide therein. 276. Allâh will destroy Ribâ (usury) and will give increase for Sadaqât (deeds of charity, alms, etc.) And Allâh likes not the disbelievers, sinners.

Ahadith on Riba:
Hazrat Jabir r.a. has reported that the Messenger of Allah peace and blessings be upon him cursed the devourer of usury, its payer, its scribe and its two witnesses. He also said that they were equal (in sin). Further says Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said that riba is a conglomeration of 70 major sins, the lightest of which is like committing adultery with o­ne’s own mother.

So, if you find out that those rulers involve in interest based companies which Muslim would want to give support to such a ruler, who is using the land's wealth as a king (not even as appointed ruler), and helping the kuffar riba based companies ? I leave it to the public.

SecondlyQuran says, "And whosoever does not rule by what Allah (swt) has revealed, such are the Kafirun (disbelievers)." [TMQ 5:44] "And so rule between them by what Allah has revealed, and follow not their vain desires..." [TMQ 5:49] "The command (or the ruling) is for none but Allah." [TMQ 12:40]

Further says,

"0 you who believe! Take not as (your) Bitanah (advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, etc.) those outside your religion since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you, they desire to harm you severely." [TMQ 3:118]

"Those who take disbelievers for 'Auliya' (protectors, helpers, friends) instead of believers, do they seek honor, power and glory with them? Verily, then to Allah belongs all honor, power and glory." [TMQ 4:139]

"0 you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as 'Auliya' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but 'Auliya' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as 'Auliya', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the Zalimun (wrongdoers, oppressors)." [TMQ 5:51]

"0 Prophet (Muhammad)! Keep your duty to Allah, and obey not the disbelievers and the hypocrites." [TMQ 33:1] "And obey not the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and harm them not (until you are ordered). And put your trust in Allah, and sufficient is Allah as a Wakil (Trustee, or disposer of affairs)." [TMQ 33:48]

"0 you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies as friends, showing affection towards them, while they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the truth (Islam, the Qur'an, and the Sunnah), and have driven out the Messenger and yourselves because you believe in Allah your Lord! If you have come forth to strive in My Cause and to seek My Good Pleasure, (then take not these disbelievers as your friends). You show friendship to them in secret, while I am All-Aware of what you conceal and what you reveal. And whosoever of you (Muslims) does that, then indeed he has gone (far) astray, (away) from the Straight Path." [TMQ 60:1]


Is this your 'truly appointed' imam which you do not want to speak out against ? He is not an Imam, nor 'appointed' nor did anyone give 'bayah or pledge' to him other than blinded 'xyzfis' who are sponsored by those Kings, and in turn preach their King-slam not Islam of Mohammed (saws). It is a parasitic relationship, they support a sect with money and the sect supports them with brainwashing people to bow down to them, while the money is coming from haram income from companies which deal in riba and owned by the kuffar, and they justify this saying that 'its for bigger good of the ummah', can you do haram and defy Allah and then assume you are doing a bigger good for the same people, against whom you are helping the kuffar?

Saudi Arabia, under those fasiq rulers has bases for American and Kuffar soldiers, provides comfortable amenities for kuffar troops, provides oil and fuel to those aircraft which go and bomb fellow Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan, please re-read the verses above in this context.

One Creator One Quran One Ummah One Aqeedah One Label Muslim

Allahu Alim


Stated ‘Abdul-Azeez bin Abdur-Rahmaan Aal as-Sa’ood, "Indeed I am Salafi, my aqidah is Salafiyyah, by whose requirements I traverse upon the Book and the Sunnah". (Stated during the pilgrimage of 1965, ‘Al-Mushaf was-Sayf’ p.135).

Shaikh Saalih Aal ash-Shaikh, Minister of Islamic Affairs of Saudi Arabia, stated, "Muslims are of two groups: Salafis and Khalafis. As for the Salafis, then they are the followers of Salaf us-Saalih (first three generations of Muslims). And as for the Khalafis, then they are the followers of the understanding of the Khalaf and they are also called Innovators - since everyone who is not pleased and satisfied with the path of the Salaf us-Saalih, in knowledge and action, understanding and fiqh, then he is a khalafi, an innovator." (Haadhihi Mafaaheemunaa, Chapter on Ascription Salaf and Salafiyyah).

IF PICTURES SPEAK MORE THAN 1000 WORDS, these pictures can speak much more !

The Beginning of a gameplan when the Ottoman Khilafah existed, and applied Islamic Shariah system for its people. ....





















"I make sure you remain in power, you make sure you accept my policies, we can be a great team !"

"0 you who believe! Take not as (your) Bitanah (advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, etc.) those outside your religion since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you, they desire to harm you severely." [TMQ 3:118]










"Did u get the speech our president wants you to give to your public ? Speak a lot about how much you love Islam, and make sure you get your emotions right. Don't forget the dinner and CitiGroup is thankful for your Prince Bandar's investments to save it from going down ! Keep investing or we stop supporting, look what we did to Saddam, when he stopped assisting."

Al-Baqarah 275. Those who eat Ribâ (usury) will not stand (on the Day of Resurrection) except like the standing of a person beaten by Shaitân (Satan) leading him to insanity. That is because they say: "Trading is only like Ribâ (usury),




"I wish every Muslim leader realized, how much fun it is to shake hands with us. We can rule, and I won't talk of democracy in your land as long as you support my countries demands. Democracy is only when the rulers are not in my pocket. And I know, how to have my man be elected in democracy, its an old game leaders play."

"And whosoever does not rule by what Allah (swt) has revealed, such are the Kafirun (disbelievers)." [TMQ 5:44]







Did the salaf welcome enemies in this way? Or what procedure or policies did they have when holding talks with enemies?










"0 Prophet (Muhammad)! Keep your duty to Allah, and obey not the disbelievers and the hypocrites." [TMQ 33:1] "And obey not the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and harm them not (until you are ordered). And put your trust in Allah, and sufficient is Allah as a Wakil (Trustee, or disposer of affairs)." [TMQ 33:48]











"0 you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies as friends, showing affection towards them, while they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the truth (Islam, the Qur'an, and the Sunnah), and have driven out the Messenger and yourselves because you believe in Allah your Lord! If you have come forth to strive in My Cause and to seek My Good Pleasure, (then take not these disbelievers as your friends). You show friendship to them in secret, while I am All-Aware of what you conceal and what you reveal. And whosoever of you (Muslims) does that, then indeed he has gone (far) astray, (away) from the Straight Path." [TMQ 60:1]



“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Edmund Burke






At the same time, what was happening in Iraq, Afganistan, Kashmir, Chechnya, Gauntanamo Bay Prison, Prisons in Iraq, and a dozen more countries ? I do not want to post those pictures here...

.... Nothing mentioned in this post, is intended to be forced down your throat. It is only a line of thinking, inviting you to think a little outside your limits of sects or stereotypes... think.. and sincere research will give you results of knowledge, which when applied, results in fruits.


Allahu Alim

Disclaimer: This blog and its author, do not encourage nor condone violence or terrorism in any form, in uniforms under a national flag, or in masks with a weird organizational label. Killing an innocent person including elderly, women and children, who are not involved in active combat is not allowed in Islamic rule of war, and torturing prisoners of war is considered barbaric and inhuman.

The process to change is by changing ideas, because ideas are stronger than bombs... You can kill a man, but you can't kill his ideas. The ideas of Islam, the Prophet (saws) and the sahaba will always remain, they just need to be spread and ideas change nations, bombs are only used to defend and protect it from barbarian invaders\occupiers\imperialists\colonialists\etc.

5 comments:

Anonymous said...

Assalamaulikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu,
Akhi,You have made very good and valid point. but i m not sure just by calling oneself Muslim will solve the problem.
The unity will not be achieved by having the same label, Unity will only be achieved when we have same aqeedah and same manhaj.
Do you think if the rafidi shia or a sufi or a biddati stop calling themselves by their labels and only call themselves as Muslims, then we will get united?
No, its not thier label which has divided us rather its thier deviant belief.

I do agree that we should call ourself Muslim, but if a person already knows that i m a muslim and he ask who are you, then i have to be specific.
for e.g if you are in USA and an american asked you where you from, you will say i m from india or u r indian. but when in india, if a fellow indian asked you where you from, you will not say i m from india. that will not make any sense, as the person already know u r indian. in that case you have to specific that you from mumbai or delhi etc.


You said
Now, as far as the claim 'join us we are saved sect', by saying so, that sect is claiming that anyone outside their sect is going to go to hell and is misguided! While, they find embers of their own sect, some of them drink alcohol, gamble, earn haram incomes, involve in lots of haram,
some are fasiqs, and they say they are saved, which implies that they
mean to say that they "are those who follow the Prophet (saws) and his sahaba (ra)

I find this comment really stupid. I havent seen any salafi saying ppl to joined them, call themselves as salafis and then you can do whatever haram stuffs still you will be saved. brother if you dont agree with them its fine but dont slender them or deduce something from thiers saying which they havent meant.

One more characteristic of most Salafis I meet is, they swear blind allegiance to the kings of Saudi
I dont know how you say this, there can be some minority of salafis or some scholars (scholars for dollars) who give blind allegiance to the kings of saud. but the majority dont. The kufr of saudi government is very clear they have made alliance with the enemies of Islam, given thier bases to enemies to attack our brothers n sisters in iraq n afghanistan.

As the Shaykh Abu Baseer Regarding saudi regime
The Saudi regime is a mixture of Haqq (truth) and Batil (falsehood). The Haqq aspect of it tends to be restricted to verbal claims, such as the outward symbols of Tawhid on their flag, and their claim that they are an Islamic, Salafi state, and that they implement the Islamic Shari'ah, and other than that from the great claims that we wish they were truthful in... and these continue to deceive many of the people!
As for their Batil, then it tends to manifest itself physically, in the real world... and it is clearer proof of the reality of their regime than what they claim with the tongue. And examples of this falsehood may be found in the following:
It is a regime that does not rule by what Allah has revealed in every aspect of life, particular and general, rather it is a regime that rules by what Allah revealed in certain cases to the exclusion of other cases... it believes in part of the Book and disbelieves in part... and this may be noticed easily by anyone who would like to observe the Saudi legal system... and this contradicts many of the Shar'i texts that obligate referring the judgement back to the Book and the Sunnah in every aspects


Anyways nice to visit your blog. Mashallah you have done a great job.

Regards
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MissionPeace said...

walaikum assalam warahmatullahi wabarakaatuhu

Thanks for visiting my blog and thank you for your comments. I would like to clarify a few things.

You said, I quote "The unity will not be achieved by having the same label, Unity will only be achieved when we have same aqeedah and same manhaj.Do you think if the rafidi shia or a sufi or a biddati stop calling themselves by their labels and only call themselves as Muslims, then we will get united?
No, its not thier label which has divided us rather its thier deviant belief."

Ans: Well, I think thats what I want to emphasize. Do you think just by calling ourselves by a special label will make our Aqeedah same too? Salafis were one sect with one Aqeedah, now they are 3 groups among them which oppose each other and claim to be on true Aqeedah of Salaf, so this fact proves that although removing labels is not solution, keeping them is no use either. Because, keeping them is against Allah's label and removing them is nothing but going back to real thing.

Now the usual arguement: "i have to be specific.
for e.g if you are in USA and an american asked you where you from, you will say i m from india or u r indian. but when in india"

Ans: Firstly, we are not using labels for our whims and fancies. Labels would not be important unless Allah Himself had given it to us, and then the Salaf carried it without alterations, therefore it becomes our responsibility to retain it and encourage the same label. As far as your analogy goes, no one stops you from saying that you are a 'Indian Muslim or American Muslim' or further specify it to "Delhi Indian Muslim" or 'Texas American Muslim" because being Indian or American or from specific city does not have any effect on the 'deen' as you are only stating the location and not defining that your belief is special or aqeedah different than what a 'Muslim's' should be. I would be happy if the 'Salafis' would stop calling others as 'khalafis\deviants' this itself claims that whoever does not wear a special label of 'salafi' is deviant, which is just boastful and nowhere what the Salaf did. Moreover, once someone claims to be a Muslim, he has to be treated like a Muslim until you see open kufr from him. And asking his sect and labels does not prove that he surely is 'follower of salaf' because by doing things which the salaf never did, they prove that they are not 'salafi' anyway, so why allow them that label ?

As far as their claim of being the 'saved sect' , I leave it to you to find out from their books and websites and scholar fatawa, this blog is not place to teach, rather to initiate people's self research.

As far as the support of fasiq rulers is concerned, I was stating my personal experience and what I found in dealing with those sectarians. Some went on to the extent of adding 'raheemullah alai' to the Saud family names, as if to endorse everything those fasiqs do, is for good for Salafism and for Islam, we all know what they do.

As far as your quote from Shaykh Abu Baseer goes, this itself proves that having a label is useless, because they are different 'types' of Salafis today, some blind supporters of the fasiq kings who get their financial sect funding from them, and others who oppose those kings which some who involve in bloodshed and terrorism, if all claim to be following the 'salaf' can it be possible logically ? If the answer is no, then what use did that label serve, and what do we do with things that have no purpose in our lives ? we trash them, so lets trash useless man made labels which have no purpose. And instead of justifying sectarianism, better work on clearing ideas and retaining the label of 'Muslim'.


JazakAllah khair wassalam
Allahu Alim

Anonymous said...

You wrote
Do you think just by calling ourselves by a special label will make our Aqeedah same too?
No. just by claming you follow salaf dosent make you among them, unless you understand islam as they had understood islam, you have Aqeedah's as of thiers and your methodology is same as of the salaf.

You wrote
Salafis were one sect with one Aqeedah

Salafi isnt a sect, its a manhajj, way of the first three generations of islam. As the Prophet said "The best of people is my generation, then those who come after them, then those who come after them." Salafi is an ascription to the 'Salaf'

You wrote
now they are 3 groups among them which oppose each other and claim to be on true Aqeedah of Salaf

unfortunately yes there have become different groups,but you can understand in the present circumstances where the kuffar dominates and the muslims ruled by the apostates and the lack keys of kuffar.there will be some who will be allied with the rulers, some will oppose but will not confront the rulers and few will go all out. we ask Allah to unite us under one banner, the banner of Tawheed (ameen).

You wrote
although removing labels is not solution

when you admit that removing label is not the solution, then why u insist , argue and give so much importance on label. whereas neglecting the important issue on account of which division occurs i.e Aqeedah. So instead of discussing label why not discuss belief of the salafis which you dont found according to Quraan n Sunnah.

You wrote
Because, keeping them is against Allah's label

salafis also call themselves Muslim, infact everyone be a barelvi, deobandi, sufi, hanfi, shafaii etc call themselves as Muslim first, only when the need arise to know ones belief and methodology they call themselves as hanfi or shafaii etc. so when one say salafi..it means a Muslim who follows salaf.

You wrote
no one stops you from saying that you are a 'Indian Muslim or American Muslim' or further specify it to "Delhi Indian Muslim" or 'Texas American Muslim"

when you have no problem in calling oneself as Indian Muslim or American Muslim, they why you have problem when someone calls himself as salafi muslim. As Indian Muslim means a muslim who lives in india, similary Salafi Muslim means a muslim who follows salaf.

You wrote
I would be happy if the 'Salafis' would stop calling others as 'khalafis\deviants'

so what would you like a raafidi who abuses Shahaba to be called as Muslim or Momin?. or a sufi who believes in wahdutul wujood to be called as muwahid? or one who worships grave be called as believers?
we need to follow the salaf i.e first three generations of islam, they understand the islam best. one who follows the way other then thiers can not be on right path.

You wrote
whoever does not wear a special label of 'salafi' is deviant

this is not true, if someone does that then its wrong. as long as one who follows Quraan n Sunnah according to the understanding of salaf there is no problem.

You wrote
once someone claims to be a Muslim, he has to be treated like a Muslim until you see open kufr from him.

I fully agree with this.

You wrote

As far as their claim of being the 'saved sect' , I leave it to you to find out from their books and websites and scholar fatawa


I was not talking about thier claim of saved sect but about what you have deduce from it
by saying so, that sect is claiming that anyone outside their sect is going to go to hell and is misguided! While, they find embers of their own sect, some of them drink alcohol, gamble, earn haram incomes, involve in lots of haram,
some are fasiqs, and they say they are saved


if someone drink alochol or do gambling or earn haram incomes then he or she is not follwing the salaf and hence not saved.

You wrote
As far as the support of fasiq rulers is concerned, I was stating my personal experience

personal expereince with some individual dosent count much, if someone supports fasiq rulers then he is certainly wrong, but you cannot blame whole group to be the supporters of the fasiq regime. Its like a christian met with a muslim and he says that alcohol is halaal or music is halaal and that christian came back and say Islam allows drinking n music.


well Akhi, I really dont see any point in dicussing on label, the labels will automatically go if we get united under one banner and that is the banner of Tawheed. if we have 10 groups following 10 different beliefs and ways then there bound to be have 10 different labels. if you want to have 1 label then you have to make all 10 groups follow same beliefs and ways (though there can exist some minor differences) then the other 9 labels will automatically go off.

JazakAllah khair

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Anonymous said...

wassalam.

Your words:
No. just by claming you follow salaf dosent make you among them, unless you understand islam as they had understood islam, you have Aqeedah's as of thiers and your methodology is same as of the salaf.

I say:
Then why use a label for it, because RasoolAllah (saws) said every Muslim has to do it anyway. By sticking a label, do they want to prove that they do follow the salaf? And if they want to show it by action, then why need a label, do what the salaf did, they called themselves 'Muslim' even when they were many 'munafiqs' 'khwarijs' and others among them. Sticking a label is useless.

Your words:
Salafi isnt a sect, its a manhajj, way of the first three generations of islam. As the Prophet said "The best of people is my generation, then those who come after them, then those who come after them." Salafi is an ascription to the 'Salaf'.

I say:
Similarly, hanafi, shafai, hambali, Maliki is not a sect, its a manhaj (school of thought). And neither of the Imams of these schools of thought were opposed to ways of the Salaf, nor did they ask their followers to stick a label as 'hanafi Muslim' or 'Shafai Muslim' the label was Muslim only, the school of thought could vary as much as Islamic Shariah permitted, not that they identify themselves by their schools of thought instead of as 'Muslim'. As the Salafis are bent upon using the word 'salafi' before Muslim.

You said:
unfortunately yes there have become different groups,but you can understand in the present circumstances where the kuffar dominates and the muslims ruled by the apostates and the lack keys of kuffar.there will be some who will be allied with the rulers, some will oppose but will not confront the rulers and few will go all out. we ask Allah to unite us under one banner, the banner of Tawheed (ameen).

I say:
Yes, and every group will have subgroup and sub-sub groups in time, so how many labels are you gonna invent to identify each one?
And now, what does the term salafi mean? Because, all the three claim to be Salafi! What advantage did you get by using a man made label ?
Nothing !

You Said:
when you admit that removing label is not the solution, then why u insist , argue and give so much importance on label. whereas neglecting the important issue on account of which division occurs i.e Aqeedah. So instead of discussing label why not discuss belief of the salafis which you dont found according to Quraan n Sunnah.

I say:
Yes, I insist that using labels is not needed and thats the reason I argue people to remove useless labels that create disunity. Allah Himself told in the Quran, that there will be many who call themselves Muslim but they will be 'lip service' Muslims, i.e. not really Muslim, so do these sectarians think they know more than Allah, that now they wanna make a label which Allah did not make to show who is 'truly' on the right path! Removing label will not solve the problem, but keeping the labels will increase the problems, so better keep it a small problem unsolved than make it a greater problem unsolvable. Discard the useless man made labels of identification, they prove nothing and they mean nothing as we see, what people claim and what they do is far apart, same applies to anyone calling himself 'salafi'.

You said:
salafis also call themselves Muslim, infact everyone be a barelvi, deobandi, sufi, hanfi, shafaii etc call themselves as Muslim first, only when the need arise to know ones belief and methodology they call themselves as hanfi or shafaii etc. so when one say salafi..it means a Muslim who follows salaf.

I say:
Does it mean, anyone who does not have the label 'salafi' does not follow salaf?
How can you claim to follow salaf while you DO NOT follow them in labelling urselves ? its some kinda illogical formulae, u dun follow them while u wanna claim to follow them. All the four imams of all schools of thoughts, claimed and followed the salaf, not just the newly invented fitna started under the British when Saudi Arabia was born by rebellion against the Khilafah. Abdul Wahab called people to Tawheed, not to Wahabism or Salafism, it was used by the Saud kings to divide and rule, simple as that. even today they are the ones who sponser fund and propagate Salafism, and no king sponsors anything which is against their kingship, its a parasitic relationship.

You Said:
when you have no problem in calling oneself as Indian Muslim or American Muslim, they why you have problem when someone calls himself as salafi muslim. As Indian Muslim means a muslim who lives in india, similary Salafi Muslim means a muslim who follows salaf.

I Say:
Calling oneself Indian, American was done by Salaf too, so much that their names included the places they come from, i.e. Farisi, Ghifaari, Habashi, etc. First, check what the Salaf did and did not do, then support those label stickers. If salafi means a Muslim who follows salaf, Muslims can also have labels like 'soliheen','abideen','ashaab al hadith', 'ashaab al sunnah' anything can describe what a Muslim should do \ does and follows, does not mean you make it as a label.

You Said:
so what would you like a raafidi who abuses Shahaba to be called as Muslim or Momin?. or a sufi who believes in wahdutul wujood to be called as muwahid? or one who worships grave be called as believers?
we need to follow the salaf i.e first three generations of islam, they understand the islam best. one who follows the way other then thiers can not be on right path.

I Say:
Again, if people 'claim' to follow the salaf, do what the salaf did. They had terms for all such kinda people. The label salafi and khalafi was not one of them. They had names to call all deviants. It does not mean, call oneself salafi, or everyone is deviant. All Muslims are on right path who follow Salaf, their label maybe salafi or not does not matter. And it does not matter who the 'salafi cult' calls as 'deviants', the majority of the Ummah is NOT salafi and inshallah this menace started under those fasiq rulers will come to an end soon. And again the dawah to tawheed will be labelled under 'Islamic dawah' not dawah to salafism.

You said:
well Akhi, I really dont see any point in dicussing on label, the labels will automatically go if we get united under one banner and that is the banner of Tawheed. if we have 10 groups following 10 different beliefs and ways then there bound to be have 10 different labels. if you want to have 1 label then you have to make all 10 groups follow same beliefs and ways (though there can exist some minor differences) then the other 9 labels will automatically go off.

I say:
I think its really necessary to expose and throw out these man made unnecessary labels. You cannot expect to unite under the banner of tawheed while each one is carrying his own banner ! Its like saying, I want to cook rice, so lets boil some wheat! To cook rice, you have to boil rice, do not expect boiling wheat to produce a rice dish. To unite, we need to discard labels and banners which were not used by salaf. Unity comes from actions, not from labels and king sponsored cults. This is what happens when funding and support is taken from rulers, the cult becomes submissive to its financial masters, forgetting that Allah is the provider and no one needs haram money from riba based earning coming from American companies to help spread Islam. Islam was spread by halal blood and money, not by fitnah, labels and riba earnings by kings who are ready to sell their lands to remain in power.

The Salafi cult is solely sponsored by the Saudi monarch and their subsidiary organisations only. And when USA takes away its support , those kings will fall into a pit of helplessness soon inshAllah. Then this cult will have no helper but the kuffar which uses it to keep the ummah divided in the name of Islam.

Aqeedah makes one Muslim or Kafir. Just having differences over matter of fiqh do not eliminate someone from Islam. The banner still remains Islam, and Shariah remains common for all fiqh. But, these cults show as if the whole fiqh they claim is the truth and every other scholar is kafir, deviant or khwariji.

If arguing about labels is useless, then not stopping the label stickers from sticking labels is harmful. My Prophet brought a single shariah and single label, and I will not stop from speaking out against cults which are wolves in the sheep skin, working for the fasiq rulers in the name of Islam.

And whatever your cult may call me, I am happy with the label MUSLIM, and with the ways of the Salaf, in accordance with the sunnah of RasoolAllah (saws) over which is the Quran. I need no other labels to prove my beliefs, nor do I need to join a cult and call everyone else a deviant just because they have a different fiqh than me, as long as their Aqeedah is same as what the Salaf had.

If labels could go off automatically, then they would never have been invented. If 10 can become one (with minor differences as you said), they are already many which follow same Aqeedah as salaf, but do not agree with salafi cult that everything should be same, because Islam has flexibility in Fiqh and as long as its based on right Aqeedah, the fiqh was always different in the Ummah since time eternal, these cults do not have to try and make a single fiqh, which will never happen because whats man made will always have differences, and whats from Allah remains standard, fiqh is derived by man, while aqeedah is clear in Quran.

As far as deviants are concerned who do shirk and kufr, the salaf had labels for those cults too, the salaf did not change their own label just because of such people being around.

The salafi cult better follow the Salaf in actions, instead of taking their name in vain.

Allahu Alim

blogger said...

Do these people know more than Allah, about what those who call people towards truth should call themselves ? If they have a Quran, please read what Allah wanted such people to call themselves.

“Who is better in speech than one who calls (men) to Allah, works
righteousness, and says, ‘I am a Muslim" Quran 41:33

Did Allah have no knowledge that later the Muslims will divide and groups? Did Allah not know they will be among the Muslims, who will not be really Muslims, like some of our honorable salafi fasiq kings directly responsible for millions of death, tortures and rapes of my sisters in Afghanistan ,......, ......... and Iraq.

Muslim was the label for people who call others towards Allah's path. Irrespective of some people using it wrongly or justly. A man cannot come along and start changing what Allah put in.

And about the salafi cult claiming to be the 'saved sect' you can get their fatawa from their books and websites, I do not intend to spoon feed anyone. Yes, they do claim to be the 'saved sect' and I believe, the saved sect will be by actions and not by label or grouping with someone. Allahu Alim.